^ If the royalties were limited to just 10 years then this makes a lot more sense. I'm not against a royalty system in general and I'd be fine if they tried it, but I think the system that is in place right now works.
OAS has to make money too and the models are going to make a lot more money shooting for a reputable site here that has overhead and brand-recognition, as opposed to how much they might make if they just tried to shoot their own pictures at home and put them up on their own probably-smallish website. They'd probably make some but not what they'd make here where there is a big massive subscription and brand-recognition and all the stuff like the billing and processing is taken care of. It's more than just "exposing the naughty bits" and while this is the part that gets all the credit, there's so much more that all goes into it that makes it all come together ! OAS has to make the money too to make it all worth the while, and it wouldn't be the same with all the girls here without the really nice format and settings of OAS that showcases them off....
As far as why I do customs; the long story short, my tastes with the outfit and theme are pretty specific and not something OAS does independently or unless it gets begged for in requests. I really like to get very specific with the outfit and make sure I always have three or four new sets with my favorites each month that I really like and are really to my taste. I really like the specific ballet outfit with the leotards and tights, and the full-bum panties on underneath, and now bouncing around on the "orange ball of doom." To me it's worth it to do the customs just because my own very specific tastes are pretty narrow for what I especially like, and I'd not be happy without customs ! I really like all the girls but to me I honestly have a hard time really getting excited without seeing my own specific niche come to life !
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When I wrote : Many of the customs are really just the same as when Kara picks them out , I didn't mean yours or Skie or Penguin. You guys are clearly different in your customs . I meant many of the others , no offence to them , but I don't see much difference between a Kara selected outfit and some of the customs , so I wonder why they spend that much on something they are going to get anyway.
I guess X-mas doesn't mean much too you either ... spending this evening on a glamour site's forum with me !
^ Ha ha, yeah, I kind of agree, a lot of the customs people do seem like things that are fairly standard for the site anyway. I usually see a lot of domme outfits and fetish outfits come up though which are the stuff some people really like. Leotards and thong leotards also are very popular with a niche of a lot of people, and also fantasy costumes come up a lot too. I think when others do customs that really aren't to your own fetish though, you probably don't notice a lof of the nuances and they just blend in with the rest. There is one other guy on the forum who really likes only specifically a white blouse with a college uniform with the first button undone and a uniform tie slightly pulled out, but besides that the rest of his custom(s) are pretty variable and non specific... to each his own !
Sometimes too I think it's a matter of not wanting to wait shoot after shoot for your very favorite model to do the exact outfit you want, when there is so much in the wardrobe. This might explain a lot, even when the custom outfit seems pretty common-place.
Yeah, I'm also past the age too of X-Mas meaning that much to me !! I work nights like this though at a second job, with not much else to do but kll time and chat on the forums and stuff like this. I have Christmas tomorrow though with my nephews and nieces tomorrow afternoon...
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Hehe , a day further and nobody noticed my mistake .( and I can't edit). When Hanotaux said models get on average 700 GBP/day , I was confused . I haven't asked my source , because asking actual numbers wouldn't be appropriate. But like I already said : many models have websites or agencies or sites like purestorm that list their rates . For instance : Tillie , is somewhat more expensive : 45 GBP/h , full day 300 GBP : scroll to comments www.purestorm.com/TillieModel , others start @ 30/h.
So that is not that much , and that's why I made such a fuss about royalties . Even if Hanotaux's 700/day is right , I still stand by all my previous comments about royalties.
Yeah, the daily rates for a model's independent shoot or something will probably be a bit less but I do think they get a bit more working for these sites. With OAS too, the models get the networking, references, introduced to a major site, and their pictures up on a medium that are going to be put out there lots and get even more publicity and have the OAS top-settings. I really think it's a major win for when the girls shoot here. There are so many other models too like Abigail, Maria, Lola A, Jo E, and others that seem to have pretty much wrapped up all their other modelling and social-media elsewhere but still regularly have/had shot for these sites. By all accounts, these are one of the best sites to shoot for and they are also very fair with stuff like when girls want their sets taken down and whatnot.
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I don't even know where to start with where this thread has gone and all the speculative/assumptive posts that have been made but suffice to say this has become a 'fake news' thread full of fiction & fantasy.
I doubt very much that OAS/PDL will censor or even delete anything as you guys seem to have done a massive PR thing here for him and his company which I am sure many of the OAS models who have shot for the brand will be splitting their sides over re the claims and opinions that have been posted re what they get paid, and the fact that some believe that OT Productions has a workforce that is treble the size than it really is !!!
So I offer some perspective in reality to balance things here and say that the whole shoot/booking thing is a very complex process with negotiators on both sides of the transaction.
Now, models come in a variety of flavours, ie, full-time, part-time, hobbyists, brand new, with a variety of experience, work preferences (nudity levels) and types of work they wish to pursue.
The OAS Bookers deal with the models either via a model agent or representative, or directly with the model themself. Full-time professional models who make their living from modelling will always negotiate or try to negotiate the best fee possible and more so if they manage their own business affairs directly. If model comes via an agency there will be a commission involved, normally approx 20% of the overall shoot/model fee, which gets deducted from what the model actually receives. If the model is part-time/hobbyist in status or brand new to the industry they will probably see any shoots they do as either a nice change from their normal daytime work commitments or as a way of gaining experience in developing their modelling craft. However, they don't depend/rely on the income as much as the full-time professional models do, so their negotiating position is weaker.
Right, OAS operates a portfolio of tease sites where, normal min requirement of topless is expected (but of course there are exceptions for non nude and implied topless levels), and also higher levels of implied nude and figure nude (especially for Art-Lingerie). It would be anticipated that OT Productions has different remuneration/fee structures in place to cater for the different types of models as outlined above, and this takes LOTS of factors into considerations and I would imagine there are bandings or scales of pay from min to max that they are prepared to offer/negotiate. I think it would be fair to assume a model that works to figure nude gets paid more than one who only shoots to topless, or indeed where a topless model gets paid more than a non nude/implied topless model. Add other variants like experience, popularity, etc, I think it is also fair to assume there is probably quite a lot of disparity in pay between them all.
OK, Rick2 mentioned that many of the models publish their rates on their modelling profiles like Purpleport, etc, and on the whole the going rate for topless is between £30-£45 per hour with min of 2 hours. These same models also offer day rates which are often slightly discounted on the hourly rate, and when you do the maths this tends to equate to anything from £180 - £300 for a full day (7-8 hours). These rates have been pretty stagnant for many many years and so if an OAS model reads this thread to discover some models used to get £700 per day for shooting for OAS they will no doubt think this totally incredulous !!!
The reality is that OT Productions negotiate on a model by model basis, or with an agency with fixed rates/pay scales in place, and they know what the going rate is or range of rates are so, yes it's nice to 'big up' OT Productions and say they are good payers, look after their models, etc, etc, but not all models are equal, in terms of status, popularity, experience, nudity work levels, etc, etc, so there is bound to be variations in the pay/fee each model gets, and negotiators on both sides of the booking transaction will naturally have different objectives/target fees in mind but hopefully find a centre ground where both parties agree. This is 'business' and how the capitalist world/market works and a million miles away from the 'extremes' touted in previous posts.
It also has to be noted that all OAS models have to sign a Model Release which states the images/videos they shoot for OT Productions are copyright of OT, and that they can do whatever they want (within reason) with said images/videos once the shoot is over. This includes not only uploading all content to their various sites but also in 'marketing' activities for promoting the brand, or with 'Affiliates' engaged in getting people to join/sign up, etc. Essentially the model gets a fee as remuneration for the content she produces and then leaves the premises and her job is finished. It's just a job of work for all concerned and model moves onto her next client/photographer. That's it really.
As for OT staffing levels well there are :
3 in the OAS studio/mansion, ie, Mike, Steve (Photographers), Kara (Stylist) + 2 other standbys, ie, Jon (Photographer) & Sarah (Interior Designer/Stylist)
2 in the OAS HQ, ie, Paul (Co-Owner/director/shareholder) + Amy (Admin) and 2 others on standby/in background, ie, Adrian (Co-Owner/director/shareholder) + Amber (Admin)
1 in Technical Services, ie, Ben + very occasional help from Mark (MOTY/NOTY stuff, etc)
As for other technical support this is primarily all 3rd party, ie, servers/support, payment processing services, etc, etc.
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Fiction & fantasy ? I express my views as a fresh (ok ignorant) outsider's view. That's why we have you to put the record straight ! You know many of the models and I'm sure you talk about fees when you "warm them up" for OAS (or other sites). I have to go by the rates that models display on a/their website and am amazed that they don't make the distinction between a normal photographer who shoots them as a hobby and the ones that put them up on a paid or unpaid website/magazine. ( no matter what they get paid , I'm still 100 % behind royalties, but it seems that is not done ) . It's not like websites come forward with information about payment and I don't see models responding to this thread , because they don't want to reveal their fee , or spoil the relationship with the site/bookers. I'm sure when the models talk to eachother while at the house , or at many other occasions that they meet , they will talk about what they're getting. I don't think the rates between them will differ that much but it is good to hear that there are differences from model to model and the sort of nudity , although on some websites from them they say that their rates are what they are , whether it's nude or partly clothed , it's more the time with the model that you pay than what they show.
No we didn't do a massive PR thing for the site , yes I got caried away/confused with the 700-800 a day that Hanotaux first posted , (which is more the starting point for doing a porn scene) , but I corrected it with one of the many links to the real rates of a model.
Not sure I follow or agree with "the whole shoot/booking thing is a very complex process with negotiators on both sides of the transaction", but what do I know .
I am surprised though , that OAS has so much staff and that agencies (thieves) get 20 %. That with taxes and no royalties , makes model's pay not that great for normal private or shoots for sites . ( I'm not talking here about the serious money from page 3 ,...)
And again coming back to many of your (= IC's) previous posts about the changing modelling world , which you're not happy with , after reading all this about fees/negotiating/copyrights , I'm more and more in the camp of models doing it themselves , although that is not in MY best interest . ( it's a lot easier to have a 1000 models doing nylon shoots on 1 site than tracking/paying a 1000 sites where some of their content is what I want and need ). And I also want to say that everything I've assumed/written about fees/royalties etc , I meant for all sites not just the OAS family.
^ Aha, are you talking about the models who do this ?
The latest craze that many of the models seem to be into these days is signing up for a site/app called OnlyFans which provides them with an ability to make extra income from subscribers signing up to view various content they upload.
For extra tips/cash/monies over and above the basic monthly subscription fees the fans/admirers also have the following ability to treat their favourite model where such activity and amount tipped is automatically tweeted out on the model's twitter stream/timeline when a subscriber does this for a model, like a receipt/acknowledgement.
Of course this is just a small selection of OAS models that are actively engaged in various personal income generators as indicated above.
This all before we start talking about Amazon Wishlists and Circle Pay that many of the models also have !!!
It really is a massively different world to the one models operated in just 2-3 years ago, let alone 10-15 years ago.
.......... and the people who embrace this all are the younger age groups, 18-30yo who have never really known a world without Social Media or smartphone technology who all eat, sleep and drink this stuff without even thinking about it, whereas the traditionalists like me, aged 30+ can still remember how it all use to be, and how much it has all changed evolved.
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"Of course this is just a small selection of OAS models that are actively engaged in various personal income generators as indicated above." You're funny , IC ! How much time did you spend on getting all those links ? But yes , cam-work , own websites and these social media apps seem better for models , less people earning/profiting from their modelling . Have you seen those prices though ! (rhetorical question) . 7 to 18 $ /min or videoclips around that same price ... Now YOU're doing a massive PR for sites like OAS . Around 30 $ /month for OAS is a bargain compared with all those sites you listed !! ( and OAS is much easier on the eyes , as a website, than these ugly social media-like sites).
And all this must be for people with deep pockets . Even OTcams : let's take Sophia Smith , 4 $/min . Doing a cam with her for a measly 10 min , sets you back 40 $ . Where I'm at , you can real sex starting at 20 $ , but not with Sophia , of course. Another thing I don't get : Let's say you want her company for 2 hours , with OTcams ... 480 $ ! But if you live in the Manchester/Liverpool area can "rent" her as a model for around 100 $ + some transport cost . Let's say you want to re-create that very funny and very explicit vintageflash scene : vintageflash.com/sophia-smith-position-to-fill_MTQyMQ==.html . You get out your little point & shoot , camera , I mean .... and enjoy her company "in the flesh" for some 100 $ , not on your screen in 2 D for 480 $. Doesn't make sence to me .
I probably overexaggerated the rate earlier, but it is kind of in the ballpark for a full-day-shooting and it is true that a portion of it will go to the agency if a girl is booked through the agency... What a model might get paid for shooting for a big site like OAS is probably going to be a different than what she might charge for just a random under-the-radar photoshoot for a non-franchise site...
btw, I think some of us have to get out more...
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Thanks for the link IC ! Wow Charlotte lives nearby and willing to do maternity shoots nude from home . If that isn't a clear invitation for a special T@H , I don't know what is . (clean and uncluttered home , so Jess Impiazzi is clearly not her cleaner ). And I don't want to be that guy that always posts about money ... but , she's cheap compared to some others . So inviting ! If I lived nearby I would go visit her myself with my pointandshoot camera . If only the square heads at OT could be convinced of doing a preggo shoot ...(and again based in Kent , eager to shoot >>> but 2 cancellations in 2016 , I don't get it .
BTW IC , why do these purpleport links die after a while ?
No pic of her as Jessica Rabbit on her twitter yet . I like her even more now that I see that she seems to be a vegan . On IMDB it says she's in movies too , if it's her because there's no pic . www.imdb.com/name/nm5323234/
When I saw the dr Phil clip , everytime Chloe answered it was noisier like it was a copy and paste job between dr Phil and Chloe via satelite link. ( you know ... the magic of TV). But your instagram link confirms she is/was in the US. I wonder where her kid is ...
But I'm happy for Jess Impiazzi , and that we got to see her first here at OAS . They're already "sharing" the CBB show online , but 650 MB for a couple of minutes to see Jess on a show that I'm not a fan of , is a bit much.
^ I read in another article that basically the father was taking care of their son and Chloe was absent and doing "full time modelling"... At the time of this they said that Chloe hadn't even been to see her son since she'd been back.
Dumping the kids at the parents or grand parents is standard practice in the country where I'm at . I get it , her career goes first . It doesn't change my positive view of her. I just wondered whether she takes him with her to the US .
Also, in the USA, dumping the kids off on the grandparents, especially just to do a full-time career, is definitely not the done thing...
I actually have my doubts that Chloe will ever make it to the Big Brother house or have the kind of acting career she thinks she might have, even being with that new agency. I think she might be too well-known and high-profile for something like MtV and ex-on-the-beach, but at the same time a major reputable network might steer clear of her.
I can see her taking perhaps a year or so for the talk to die down of her a bit before she's in the BB house, at least... I'll be curious to see when this happens and how she gets received there.
Yes , I know this is the OAS forum , but it's about the OAS models too . When I wrote about Sophia Smith , 20 posts up ^^ just above the Rachel/Suzi pic, I hadn't seen her new downblousejerk video yet : https://www.downblousejerk.com/ , the one of dec 31th. I did now ! It's one her best so far , even better than the last VF http://vintageflash.com/sophia-smith-position-to-fill_MTQyMQ==.html . Try to catch the DBJ , it's absolutely hilarious and so naughty . I think OAS with their silent video's is getting some real competition from these sites . Yes a nice strip in nylons , but some people (like me) really like the models talking dirty, especially the ones you don't expect to do so. And those sites are targetting us with some of our favorite OAS models , like Sophia here , Penny L & Ashley Jayne/Porchia W , .....
Natalia Forrest not slowing down after the mariage & baby , her wankitnow of Jan 2nd (= great !) and her PH4U in yellow PH , or SBC trying on different lingerie with a potty mouth. I know OAS is sticking too their "clean" , "non rude" content , I get that but but these super hilarious scenes are the right combination of humor and erotica . Sophia in the porn video store ...